FAREWELL SIR TERRY
Sadly I must admit to being a regular Radio Two listener, indeed I rarely listen to any other radio station, although I do occassionaly try Radio Three for a few weeks before lapsing back to Radio Two. I even endure the Organist Entertains. The only Radio Two programme I find almost unlistenable to, is the woefully bad Sarah Kennedy. FFS, I am coming up to fifty but she makes me feel that her programme is pitched at people much, much older than me; as she witters on about how her Yorkshire puddings haven’t risen properly, peppering her inanity with biased Tory propaganda about how stupid the government is being over issues of the day, where she always just happens to agree with the Daily Mail.
So I have mixed feeling about Terry Wogan retiring from the breakfast show, which he seems to have been doing since I was a boy. He is of course in many ways insufferable: it was a bit rich him joining in the chorus about MPs’ expenses when he himself takes away wheel barrow loads of cash from a public corporation; and his knowing skepticism about climate change was gettng wearisome. Nevertheless, he is a highly professional broadcaster who has become such an institution as to be part of the daily fabric of my life, and the lives of millions of others. Indeed radio still has the capacity to provide a shared framework of collective experiEnce in a way that TV achieves much less often nowadays.
Although it is not something I am proud to admit, I will miss him.
Although I admit to listening to him myself, I also have mixed feelings. He is perhaps not just as openly rt wing as Kennedy, but he definately is biased and occasionally has been anti worker-crossing picketlines and criticising striking workers who have had to resort to the final option in their fights against erosion of their rights, pay and working conditions. He has continually criticised public transport workers on strike, and has recently shown a disregard for the workers in the postal service who have been fighting for their jobs and our service.
Wogan was sometimes tongue in cheek funny… but other times his right wing beliefs were broadcast as if they were “common sense.” He has been going on about awards he has received in the past few weeks. How’s about an award for walking away with a huge pension (one I doubt he needs as he has accrued a huge amount of public money over the years)? I wish I could, as a teacher, think that my pension is an extra bonus for my public service rather than the subsistant existance it will probably mean in another 20 years time.
So thanks for the funnies in the morning Terry Wogan, but was it really worth the huge salary/pension/bentley/ free food etc? And when you start your new, presumably much better paid than me one day a week show in Feb, could you keep your opinions of those toiling below you to yourself?
Comment by Neil Scott — 18 December, 2009 @ 3:37 pm
In my experience politicaly Wogan is to the left of Andy
This blog explains a lot, anyone able to listen to Radio 2 is deeply confused.
Comment by Red Bandits — 18 December, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
# 2 please can you post a list of radio stations that it is acceptable for socialists to listen to.
Perhaps the left could produce a radio with pre-tuned stations that have been approved for our listening.
Comment by Eddie Truman — 18 December, 2009 @ 6:04 pm
#1 put it very well in my opinion.
I copy my comment from the Guardian website:
Wogan along with Chris Moyles and ‘Scabby’ Jo Whiley crossed the picket lines during the BBC staff’s 2005 strike. The BBC workers were protesting against job cuts and attempting to defend their livelihoods, Most were on vastly lower salaries than Wogan. If he had supported their struggle imagine the difference it would have made and the help he would have provided to their campaign.
Instead he and other high profile BBC personalities chose to think of themselves and then hypocritically urge the population to dig deep to help those in poverty!
He isn’t retiring. I’m sure he’ll find ways to fill the time like doing more voice-overs for Tesco.
Comment by Ted W — 18 December, 2009 @ 6:09 pm
#3 See if Karl Stewart’s got any old DDR surplus sets (sorry Karl, only having a laff).
Comment by Armchair — 18 December, 2009 @ 6:25 pm
“a list of radio stations that it is acceptable for socialists to listen to.”
On the face of it, that seems a fair criticism, but there are a lot of shows, particularly on the commercial stations like Talk Sport, where you’d have to wonder why a socialist could stomach the fascist bigotry they spout. The BBC is a bit subtler, but it does sort of seep in, doesn’t it.
The London Musicians Collective local radio station ‘Resonance 104.4 FM ‘ has a lot of good stuff - particularly recommend ‘the Truth about Markets’, ‘Middle East Review’, ‘Democracy Now’, and ‘the Traditional Music Hour’ which is in a whole different league from R2’s insipid folk show. There’s lots of other great stuff, but schedules are unpredictable, and there IS a lot of electronic ‘art’ music… Only thing to avoid is ‘Little Atoms’ which is the ‘decents’ weekly hour - maybe worth a listen if you need any reminding how vile they are.
Of course, there’s Galloway on Talk Sport. With reservations, it’s still a big improvement to have a high profile show like that where sometimes the truth can be touched on.
The Radio 5 Live morning show (9 to 11) used to be astonishingly good for a couple of years after 9/11 - live show from Bethlehem, interviews with Hamas and Hezbullah, Scott Ritter. That was knocked on the head after the Gilligan business; now it’s pretty tame fare, though still entertaining sometimes.
Comment by jock mctrousers — 18 December, 2009 @ 6:59 pm
It amazes me that someone with no discernable talent whatsoever like Jo Whiley manages to make a lifetime career out of the BBC at licence payers’ expense.
Comment by Andy Newman — 18 December, 2009 @ 7:05 pm
#7
Not so much the X Factor as the big fat Zero Factor.
Most of them are talentless male and female bimbos are they not?
I can’t even remember any of the names of the BBC entertainment big-shots at the moment, and all I want to do is slag them off. That’s how crap they are.
There is creative excellence at the BBC but the dross you have to wade through to get to it, it’s like swimming through a sea of turds to get to an oasis, em, er, a island paradise even.
I buy the Radio Times because it is the only mag which has decent radio listings.
I hardly watch tv but do tune into BBC Radio 3 and also BBC Radio Scotland for the superior football coverage, as well as its folk/jazz/world music.
By the way, Late Junction on BBC Radio 3 is a real gem.
ps
there’s a brilliant comic poem about Sir Terry’s time as a tv chat show host. I’ll see if I can dig it out and post it on.
Comment by joe90 kane — 18 December, 2009 @ 7:30 pm
# 3 Edward, dont you wish that you were free of pre-tuned socialist mantra and were able to express how you really feel?
Brian loves you.
Comment by Brian Cant — 18 December, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
#8
“Radio Scotland for the superior football coverage”
Superior, you mean they have a lot of coverage of Bristol City and Swindon town?
Comment by Andy Newman — 18 December, 2009 @ 8:11 pm
Scotland superior and football do not belong together in the same sentence.
Comment by SteveH — 18 December, 2009 @ 8:25 pm
#8
there’s a brilliant comic poem about Sir Terry’s time as a tv chat show host. I’ll see if I can dig it out and post it on.
From -
Unauthorized Versions: Poems and their Parodies ed Kenneth Baker (1990)
Chaucer: The Wogan’s Tale
A Chatte-Show Host came with us, yclept Wogan
As Fam’d as any Emperour or Shogun,
Of goodly port, he smyling was, and merrie,
And known to all the companye as Terrie.
Thrice ev’ry week upon the littel screen
His jolie visage in close-uppe was seen;
From far and wide came pilgrims to his shrine,
And hard by Shepherd’s Bush would wait in line.
There he, with feyned flaterye and jape,
The which kept all his faithful fannes agape,
Made conversacioun with each summon’d guest,
Contriving to turn all they said to jest,
Whereat the audience would fall about
With unconfined myrth, and scream and shout.
‘Tis said that he was payed a wondrous fee,
The envie of all at the BBC;
Though ther were some who thought his programme
trype,
He was a verray parfit TV type.
Written by Stanley. J. Sharpless.
Comment by joe90 kane — 18 December, 2009 @ 8:48 pm
#5 Armchair, I had a line in my post about Andy doing a SU special on DDR wirwless’s but I cut it out before posting, to try and play nice.
#10 and 11. Andy and SteveH
Repeat after me all the Scottish managers of English league sides;
(Scotland having a population less that that of London)
Ferguson, Moyes, McLeish, Coyle etc etc.
The Scots are so crap at football that you rely on them to manage teams in the biggest league in the world.
And then youse wonder why there’s Scottish nationalism.
Cos we’ve got the most arrogant and obnoxious neighbour on the planet.
Now fuck off and watch your 1966 videos.
Comment by Eddie Truman — 18 December, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
#13
It did yused to be a strangely rebellious feeling tuing into radio Miscow back in the day, sadly it was quite boring.
BUt The Albanian radio station was an absolute hoot. it was a bit like Southpawpunch’s blog, only more left wing.
Comment by Andy Newman — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
#13 Not to mention Busby and Shankle, and a Scottish team won the European cup before an English team, and with a team all of which were born within 20 miles of the centre of their home city…
But you’re living in the past. In the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s the top English teams were chocker with talented Scottish PLAYERS. Even the top Scottish teams aren’t now. Things have changed.
As for 1966, I understand why people north of the border get pissed off. Perhaps that might change “when” you win it
Comment by Armchair — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:14 pm
Tell me Eddie Truman,
the most successful managers in English club football (ie Sir Matt Busby, Bill Shankly, George Graham, Sir Alex Ferguson etc etc etc infinitum) are what nationality?
Of course, English managers, when they’re good they’re brilliant - Bob Paisley or Brian Clough!
Comment by joe90 kane — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:22 pm
Radio Moscow used to have a really excellent folk music programme. That’s right though, the Albanian station was hilarious.
I used to listen religiously to the Friday Rock Show when dear old Tommy Vance was still on it. These days, it’s more likely Stuart Maconie on 6 Music or Bobby Friction on the Asian Network, as rare shows where I can hear something new and interesting. On the other hand, get in a taxi in Belfast and you can absolutely count on some really godawful radio.
Comment by Splintered Sunrise — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:25 pm
Eddie, how do you feel about being allowed to be yourself, and forgive and be forgiven? Nothing to do with this subject, but i’d just thought i’d ask?
Fancy a cuddle? Cuddles work really well. We could meet, no strings, just a fratternal meeting.
Just say when and where,
love Brian. (lifes too short)
Comment by Brian Cant — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:26 pm
Eamonn Dunphy’s first class biography of Sir Matt Busby must be one of the best books ever written about sport, and has an interesting discussion about the relationship between English and Scotttish football, IIRC.
Sadly I lent it to someone years ago who did not return it.
Comment by Andy Newman — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
#15
We also have the oldest national football stadium in the world, Hampden Park Glasgow.
Scotland also holds all European attendence records for every type of game - league, cup, european - you name it, we hold the record except for perhaps a friendly.
However, it was a Scottish team which was chosen to play against Real Madrid in a friendly testimonial for di Stefano in 1967 - whch currently holds that attendence record.
Comment by joe90 kane — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
Did anyone see that documentary about Scottish managers by Hugh McKilvanney that was on a few years ago?
Comment by Armchair — 18 December, 2009 @ 9:53 pm
Wogan’s a scab bastard
Comment by Keith Watermelon — 18 December, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
23 - wasn’t it the Britsh Empire? What’s going on with all the nationalism in the comments here on a socialist blog?
Comment by Steve — 18 December, 2009 @ 11:48 pm
Andy Kershaw?
Comment by Michael Rosen — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:06 am
Mark Steele? Linda Smith? Jeremy Hardy?
Comment by Michael Rosen — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:14 am
hi
this is dire
I have extremely populist tastes in culture or lack of culture. I like watching the telly. I’m looking forward to celebrity Big Brother. I watch too much football. I enjoy X factor and celebrity come dancing.
I am working class and have always felt there was an elitist aspect to certain socialists dismissing me for what I enjoy as entertainment. I do appreciate that what I enjoy is escapist but have never had the education to appreciate high art.
Wogan is a reactionary but not a hateful one such as Jim Davidson. His commentary on the eurovision song contest were always fun.
As I watch telly and don’t listen to the radio I will not miss Wogan.
Thanks
Comment by Tom — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:29 am
Word of mouth by a chap called Michael Rosen?
PS. Michael, what happened to your promise that if (I said when) you made it on to Desert Island Discs you’d chose Catch-22 as your book? There I was feeling very smug knowing what your choice would be… and then you picked the Collected Poems of Carl Saundburg!
Comment by Tawfiq Chahboune — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:39 am
It’s true that the Scots contribution to the field of invention is pretty impressive, but here’s a few history questions for you-
1) Complete this sentence: “Glasgow was the second city of the British …”
2) “The Act of Union happened largely because the Scottish ruling class had a go at colonialism on their own and failed, ruining large swathes of the Scottish middle classes in the process, and union was the price the English ruling class made them pay to be bailed out”. True or false.
3) Why do a large number of black people from the Carribean have Scottish surnames?
4) What regiment of the British army was involved in policing Aden in the late 1960s under the notorious “Mad Mitch”? (btw there are many similar questions to this one, all with similar answers).
I was born in England with English, Welsh and Irish ancestry. My partner is Scottish. I have never felt a very strong feeling of Englishness, I have always been pretty ambivalent about supporting the England football team (I don’t have a problem with the cricket team) and hate English chauvinism. I have been to see Celtic play and consider them my second team.
Many of my favourite authors, musicians and film-makers are Scottish. I love whiskey, haggis and Cullen Skink.
And I think that’s why I get particularly annoyed by the hate-filled nationalism that comes from some (thankfully a minority) Scottish socialists just because they’ve got this notion in their heads that they are an oppressed nation. Like all reactionary ideas it’s based on bad history. There was plenty of oppression all right, but most of it was carried out by your own ruling class.
Comment by Armchair — 19 December, 2009 @ 1:04 am
I have often thought there is a need to have a proper united Left website - a real ‘Socialist Unity’ site, if you like - as the current one is run by a very unsuitable person who has an obsession against the hard left, esp. the SWP, and who drifts ever righter.
But to hear that Newman regularly listens to Terry Wogan makes that task of replacing him even more urgent.
Would you let Jordan be Minister for Women, make David Beckham a Nobel laureate for his books or allow Simon Cowell to decide on British popular music (hmm, actually he already does)? Can anyone take seriously anyone who listens to Wogan?
I used to listen to Wogan a lot. I was a kid and my mother would tune nowhere else. So every morning, I was trapped. That endless chitter-chatter that was actually saying nothing. The ‘Fight the Flab’ and other mundane segments and that oh so very fucking witty handover to the 150 year old Jimmy Young.
Brotherhood of Man, Neil Sedaka, that was Wogan. Stuff like Dr Hook, through being in the charts, was too racy for his show.
I now have a special radio that is customised so that it can’t get Radio 2, Classic FM or Radio Smooth, Mellow, Snooze and similar named stations.
But there is so little else. There are now 10,000 stations with nothing on. When I was a kid, Capital Radio did very well in London with its pop and prattle. Now there appear to be at least 5 ‘Capital Radios’ called stuff like Heart and so on but which are all indistinguishable from each other.
I like Radio 3 the best. The 11 o clock essay can be good (on Edgar Allan Poe recently, and Brecht) and its other night time stuff - both speech and music - can be excellent.
They had a good documentary on Pablo Neruda recently in which I learnt that poet gave a visa for to travel to Chile to the guy who machine-gunned Trotsky’s villa a few weeks before the murder and that Neruda (a Stalinist) is reported to have had Trotskyists, Anarchists, etc removed from a ship taking Spanish Republican refugees from France to Chile at the start of WW2.
Radio 4 has a few good magazine problems but they are always dumbed down e.g. maybe 25 mins on the latest scientific development which will be 3 lines on each with endless introductions and wittering. Although there are exceptions - like Analysis and indeed Michael Rosen’s programme.
I wish there was a radio programme playing live, fresh music in the way that John Peel sometimes did (but without his fake ‘I’m your mate’ persona - e.g. playing ‘records’ at the wrong speed; impossible to do as they would have been CDs) and also interesting world music i.e. not fake Peruvian nose chanting, made up to be flogged to gullible white dreadlocked vegans at Womad, but what they actually do play in Lima or Lagos.
Jo Whiley is indeed a talentless ligger and scabbed in the BBC strike.
And funnily enough I used to listen to Radio Tirana (and Radio Moscow) as a young kid quite a bit, under the bedclothes on a small transistor radio. Not out of any political interest then, just because they were so unusual, dry, serious, foreign.
I read that DAB will one day see the end of FM and AM. That will be a major tragedy when big corporate stations finally see off some interesting output on FM (the ads - in fact it is all ads/payola/advertorial - on black Pirate stations in London are very interesting) but the saddest moment will be the end of AM.
Those nights under the bedclothes, having to retune into Swiss Radio International, some mad American evangelical programme (with talking in tongues) and Eastern bloc stations helped develop my critical faculties.
Maybe Moscow is talking bollocks I would have thought but it might mean that the BBC, Wogan, my mother and my dad’s Daily Telegraph are also doing the same. There is more than one voice.
But what will be a major blow, will be that excitement that you won’t get on DAB as you are restricted to whichever content is transmitted for your area of Britain.
That excitement is what you had as you had to endless retune to get rid of the whirr-whirr of the fading signal and hear real live foreigners broadcasting on stations from place over the seas (and even Scotland). It sometimes didn’t even matter if they broadcasting in French or Dutch, it was different and intriguing.
Comment by Southpawpunch — 19 December, 2009 @ 2:41 am
terry wogan can fuck off, he sucks
give me radio 1 with annic mac and judge jules anytime.
Comment by graham — 19 December, 2009 @ 2:48 am
Armchair Scotland was/is both oppressed and oppressor under Anglo/British rule.The colonised become to a degree the colonisers. Yes there are Scottish names amongst blacks in the ex brit ruled Caribbean, but there were also thousands of Scottish bonded slaves sent first to work the plantations.
We damand the democratic right to withdraw from the imperialist union- parcel of rogues sold us for english gold.
Comment by roy walsh — 19 December, 2009 @ 3:18 am
#24
What’s going on with all the nationalism in the comments here on a socialist blog?
- Because the two aren’t mutual exclusive of each other.
Claiming people’s expression of their own ethnic and cultural identities is, in some way, some kind of racist, exclusive, chauvinism is itself just another form of of oppression.
Try getting used to the fact that some people are quite delighted to be Scottish and are over the moon about the fact they’re socialist as well. Same goes for Cubans, Vietnamese, Bolivians, Venezualans. Even some Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists see themselves as good religious people and also good practicing socialists.
ps
BBC Radio 4 hits the heights as has been pointed out by dis-interested commenteers with excellent good taste.
In Our Time is another real BBC gem and a rarity for corporate media - a programme comprised of people who actually know and care about the subject they’re discussing, with a decent chair-person in the Cumbrian Bouffanted One. It also has an online archive I can recommend. There is also a new BBC book out of transcripts from the programme.
If that isn’t enough for hard-to-please argumentative cynical pinkos then how about the fact that the IOT listenership have voted Karl Marx their fave philospher!
Also, Word of Mouth presenters don’t get paid anywhere near enough money.
The News Quiz is always a class act. I still can’t believe Linda Smith’s passing away.
Comment by joe90 kane — 19 December, 2009 @ 11:20 am
#25 and #26
these are all fine broadcasters you mention Michael, as indeed are you yourself.
Radcliffe and maconie is my own favourite show at the moment.
But i am not sure whetehr you are making a point by listing them that I am too dim to understand?
Comment by Andy Newman — 19 December, 2009 @ 11:32 am
I suspect Mike Rosen was answering the point made at #23.
Comment by chjh — 19 December, 2009 @ 11:38 am
At least Wogan was a bit better than that Alan Partridge. He was dreadful- I thought it was a joke at first.
Comment by Armchair — 19 December, 2009 @ 11:47 am
#29 Southpawpunch I look forward to your blog. Are you in fact going to call it Real Socialist Unity?
I bet Andy’s s**tting himself.
Comment by Armchair — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:00 pm
#36 I think we have a flavour of what it will look like on the thread about Peter Tatchell’s illness.
Comment by Armchair — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:03 pm
#23
“what the fuck has England given humainty ” [sic]
You mean apart from Dame Judy Dench?
We lead the world in ballroom dancing, darts and snooker; public drunkenness; finding foreigners intrinsically funny, and starting fights with strangers. We are the world’s best at developing deep lobster red sun-burn; and we also have contributed Dollar, Bucks Fizz and Simon Cowell to the world of music - oh and Viz!
Comment by Andy Newman — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:12 pm
#39 More English nationalism from the reactionary Newman.
Comment by Armchair — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
“what the fuck has England given humainty ”
- Apart from Karl Marx and Das Kapital - Charles Darwin, Anti-Slavery, Thomas Paine, Monty Python, Eddie Izzard, Linda Smith, Michael Palin, Dad’s Army, Bob Paisley, Don Revie, Sir Alf Ramsey, Brian Clough, Derby County, Nottingham Forest, Darts Championship from the Riverside, the most gorgeous woman in the world aka ‘English Roses’, Salma Yaqoob, Diane Abbot, Jane Austen. the Bronte Sisters, Coal Miners Wives!, The Peasants Revolt 1381, The Chartists, true English eccentrics, Lord Bertrand Russell, London Spirit of The Blitz, every and all English accents,……infintum…
Don’t blame Noel Edmunds on the English though - it could happen anywhere, although I still think they have a lot to answer for when it comes to ‘cricket’, which isn’t a real man’s sport…chunter…chunter…Wimbledon, streuth….
Comment by joe90 kane — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:30 pm
…public drunkenness; finding foreigners intrinsically funny, and starting fights with strangers…
- Typical English imperialism.
The Scots never do get the credit when it comes to innovation.
We started the craze of football hooliganism for instance, although the Wembly pitch invasion of 1976 was a drunken but good natured affair, and it was only later that the fists and bottles came out between the Auld Firm fans, that the real fun started.
Once the English game became plagued with these kinds of anti-social execrable nutters, the Scottish fans, to get one over on these their nearest neighbours whom they also regarded as their most favoured rival, decided to clean up their act and act respectable at all internationals, home and away.
Comment by joe90 kane — 19 December, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
#17
Splintered Sunrise: “I used to listen religiously to the Friday Rock Show when dear old Tommy Vance was still on it.”
Crikey, I remember the Friday Rock Show with Tommy Vance…
And I used to religiously listen to Annie Nightingale (circa 1982 onwards) on Sundays after the Top 40 Chart Show. She was great and loved the music she played. Oh those were the days….
Btw: in the here and now…. Rage Against the Machine for Xmas No. 1 and f*ck off X-factor pre-packaged commodified pap!!
Comment by HarpyMarx — 20 December, 2009 @ 12:25 am
Getting back to Scottish people’s history, do any Scottish comrades (of whichever party or faction) know anything about Willie Spiers of Eyemouth, Berwickshire?
This isn’t a loaded question with an agenda btw, it’s just a story I came accross on Wikipedia while looking for something else and looked interesting.
The story’s got an anti-clerical bent to it if that excites anyone to look into it:)
Comment by Armchair — 20 December, 2009 @ 5:34 pm
#44, Armchair, I was wi the dug up Artur’s Seat in the bitterly cold snow storms and composed a brilliant put down to you on some of the stuff you’ve written on Scotland in this thread, but have never had the time to transfer it from brain to keyboard yet.
Will have a look for Willie Spiers also.
Comment by Eddie Truman — 20 December, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
#44 Eddie-Are you going to write it all in an Irvine Welsh style?
You do realise don’t you that it will have to be even more brilliant than you think now that you’ve warned me to expect it?
Not sure that your tactics were very wise there. Hope you’re not putting in for the Scotland manager’s job.
Bet it was a bit breezy up on Arthur’ Seat.
Comment by Armchair — 20 December, 2009 @ 6:20 pm
#45 Armchair, it was totally freezing, wind chill wotsit must have been minus freezing.
As Kevin Williamson has pointed out, Scots have two languages, spoken and written, they are often very different, far more so than a dialect of English.
The thing about Irvine was that he wrote in Edinburgh Scots.
It had been done before of course, James Kelman, Robert Burns.
But in the mid 90’s I started to see young people reading books on the number 14 bus to Muirhouse, something I had never seen before.
They were reading Trainspotting.
Comment by Eddie Truman — 20 December, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
#46 I can imagine. The thing I like best about Welsh is the rhyming slang- a terrible Dame Judy, attack of the flight lieutenants, I haven’t a scoobie etc
Comment by Armchair — 20 December, 2009 @ 7:39 pm
We could discuss this further next time I’m in Auld Reekie. Over a single malt (or a wee Buckie and a Purple Tin if you prefer a Weedgie drink).
Comment by Armchair — 20 December, 2009 @ 7:42 pm