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	<title>Comments on: BROWN RALLIES THE TROOPS: &#8220;LABOUR STANDS FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW.&#8221;</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: prianikoff</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-157371</link>
		<author>prianikoff</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Report" on BBC4 just finished (Thurs 8th October 8 pm)

Unfortunately not on Listen Again, but it was essential listening!

Basically Simon Cox of the Beeb was inciting the bosses to take on the RMT
The gist  being that Bob Crow and the union were TOO successful at defending members conditions and increasing their pay!!
2 ballots/week 40K a year, 35 hour week, 8 weeks holiday etc...

The union was "a bit like something out of 'Life on Mars'" and "dominated by radical elements such as Socialist Action" ( err, what???)

Crow was a self admitted Socialist and Communist, but not a member of any party.  
"You don't have to be a Virgin to go to the Virgin Islands"

Boris Johnson and the Tories are discussing plans to curb them with "No strike" legislation. But as Bob Crow retorted, "What will they do if all the members walk out, put them in Wembley stadium?"

Don't give them ideas!

Most interesting bit was at the end when the RMT sponsored MP John McDonell discussed the TU coordinating group set up by RMT and including FBU, Lorry Drivers, POA, PCS.  It's set to grow to 12 unions and in discussions around a new "Son of No2EU" type party.

VERY significant that a Labour MP is discussing this favourably on the radio!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Report&#8221; on BBC4 just finished (Thurs 8th October 8 pm)</p>
<p>Unfortunately not on Listen Again, but it was essential listening!</p>
<p>Basically Simon Cox of the Beeb was inciting the bosses to take on the RMT<br />
The gist  being that Bob Crow and the union were TOO successful at defending members conditions and increasing their pay!!<br />
2 ballots/week 40K a year, 35 hour week, 8 weeks holiday etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The union was &#8220;a bit like something out of &#8216;Life on Mars&#8217;&#8221; and &#8220;dominated by radical elements such as Socialist Action&#8221; ( err, what???)</p>
<p>Crow was a self admitted Socialist and Communist, but not a member of any party.<br />
&#8220;You don&#8217;t have to be a Virgin to go to the Virgin Islands&#8221;</p>
<p>Boris Johnson and the Tories are discussing plans to curb them with &#8220;No strike&#8221; legislation. But as Bob Crow retorted, &#8220;What will they do if all the members walk out, put them in Wembley stadium?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t give them ideas!</p>
<p>Most interesting bit was at the end when the RMT sponsored MP John McDonell discussed the TU coordinating group set up by RMT and including FBU, Lorry Drivers, POA, PCS.  It&#8217;s set to grow to 12 unions and in discussions around a new &#8220;Son of No2EU&#8221; type party.</p>
<p>VERY significant that a Labour MP is discussing this favourably on the radio!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bob hope</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156122</link>
		<author>bob hope</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156122</guid>
		<description>How can any  of you defend this speech?

 It was a neoliberal sham of a speech.

 Who has gained from Neoliberal Labour's time in power?
 The BNP,Blair,Brown and the Bankers....

  If yopu want a real,genuine socialist,progressive party please,,,stop looking at these Tory boys.
   Let them die off;the big three will not deliver anything other than Neoliberal sham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can any  of you defend this speech?</p>
<p> It was a neoliberal sham of a speech.</p>
<p> Who has gained from Neoliberal Labour&#8217;s time in power?<br />
 The BNP,Blair,Brown and the Bankers&#8230;.</p>
<p>  If yopu want a real,genuine socialist,progressive party please,,,stop looking at these Tory boys.<br />
   Let them die off;the big three will not deliver anything other than Neoliberal sham.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerboa</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156040</link>
		<author>Jerboa</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156040</guid>
		<description>Some real grey-haired oldies here remember when people joined Labour out of conviction.

I was one myself once but I never made it to the quarter-deck of a Russian billionaire's yacht.

FOOTNOTE:
Who is 'southpawpunch' one wonders. Let him/her write a column regularly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some real grey-haired oldies here remember when people joined Labour out of conviction.</p>
<p>I was one myself once but I never made it to the quarter-deck of a Russian billionaire&#8217;s yacht.</p>
<p>FOOTNOTE:<br />
Who is &#8217;southpawpunch&#8217; one wonders. Let him/her write a column regularly!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156021</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156021</guid>
		<description>With all due respect to every one, it was a bloody good speech as far as I was concerned. The policy, whilst not fleshy, was deffinately a shift back to the populist style of Blairism. It could potentially be enough to save Labour 40 or 50 seats which could result in a hung Parliament where civic nationalists and two or three progressives from other parties (Respect and the Greens) could prop up a Labour minority-Government.

Brown needs to start heading towards electoral reform early, I think this should move to the top of the agenda. It could help Labour hold on to some very crucial seats in the Midlands where the Lib Dems will paint themselves as the progressive choice against Conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to every one, it was a bloody good speech as far as I was concerned. The policy, whilst not fleshy, was deffinately a shift back to the populist style of Blairism. It could potentially be enough to save Labour 40 or 50 seats which could result in a hung Parliament where civic nationalists and two or three progressives from other parties (Respect and the Greens) could prop up a Labour minority-Government.</p>
<p>Brown needs to start heading towards electoral reform early, I think this should move to the top of the agenda. It could help Labour hold on to some very crucial seats in the Midlands where the Lib Dems will paint themselves as the progressive choice against Conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156019</link>
		<author>Doug</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156019</guid>
		<description>Newman, you're pathetic. Just join the Labour Party and get it over with. Then leave the fight for socialism to the rest of us while you suck up to the union bureaucrats and unspeakable opportunists like Cruddas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newman, you&#8217;re pathetic. Just join the Labour Party and get it over with. Then leave the fight for socialism to the rest of us while you suck up to the union bureaucrats and unspeakable opportunists like Cruddas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156014</link>
		<author>Bill Scott</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-156014</guid>
		<description>Have to agree with Eddie the thing that stood out for me was this "promise" that 16 &#38; 17 year old parents (not just single ones but couples as helpfully explained later by the other Milliband) will have to live in supervised foyers where they will be taught how to be responsible parents.  What exactly is the difference between this and the workhouse? It has to be one of the most right wing moralistic and draconian proposals I have ever heard.  

New Labour having been slvaes to the market are now doing Thatcher's job of returning us to Victorian values where the feckless and sexually active poor are locked away until they learn how to be "responsible" citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with Eddie the thing that stood out for me was this &#8220;promise&#8221; that 16 &amp; 17 year old parents (not just single ones but couples as helpfully explained later by the other Milliband) will have to live in supervised foyers where they will be taught how to be responsible parents.  What exactly is the difference between this and the workhouse? It has to be one of the most right wing moralistic and draconian proposals I have ever heard.  </p>
<p>New Labour having been slvaes to the market are now doing Thatcher&#8217;s job of returning us to Victorian values where the feckless and sexually active poor are locked away until they learn how to be &#8220;responsible&#8221; citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Southpawpunch</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155988</link>
		<author>Southpawpunch</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155988</guid>
		<description>Tawfiq, thanks, that is going (soon) in the credits list on my website (where I have also made my first post in a long time - http://southpawpunch.blogspot.com/2009/09/labourconservatives-main-course.html

It will go alongside others, that may be slightly more, er,  nuanced, from other members of this blog about my site, such as “sexist ultra-left brand of boy wankery!” from Socialist Unity’s very own Louise Whittle, or "situationist art work parodying the left" from Andy Newman.

And, Colin and others, on stating that ID cards will not be compulsory for a while -you introduce ID cards (over Tory opposition) and then backtrack, just temporarily - and that's moving Left. Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tawfiq, thanks, that is going (soon) in the credits list on my website (where I have also made my first post in a long time - <a href="http://southpawpunch.blogspot.com/2009/09/labourconservatives-main-course.html" rel="nofollow">http://southpawpunch.blogspot.com/2009/09/labourconservatives-main-course.html</a></p>
<p>It will go alongside others, that may be slightly more, er,  nuanced, from other members of this blog about my site, such as “sexist ultra-left brand of boy wankery!” from Socialist Unity’s very own Louise Whittle, or &#8220;situationist art work parodying the left&#8221; from Andy Newman.</p>
<p>And, Colin and others, on stating that ID cards will not be compulsory for a while -you introduce ID cards (over Tory opposition) and then backtrack, just temporarily - and that&#8217;s moving Left. Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: HarpyMarx</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155983</link>
		<author>HarpyMarx</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155983</guid>
		<description>#1 "The 16 and 17 year old parents that I know could teach Labour politicians a thing or two about how to bring up children".

Indeed they could Eddie, and what pissed me off was reading one of the fave words of NL and that is 'responsibility'.... Yes, they have the audacity to come out with that and while we are on the subject of 'responsibility' who the hell got the economy into the crap in the first place so before Brown, Mandelson and Darling preach the virtues of 'responsibility' they need to take a hard look at their own hideous politics.

NL are languishing in the sewer where they belong, they are morally, politically and financially bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 &#8220;The 16 and 17 year old parents that I know could teach Labour politicians a thing or two about how to bring up children&#8221;.</p>
<p>Indeed they could Eddie, and what pissed me off was reading one of the fave words of NL and that is &#8216;responsibility&#8217;&#8230;. Yes, they have the audacity to come out with that and while we are on the subject of &#8216;responsibility&#8217; who the hell got the economy into the crap in the first place so before Brown, Mandelson and Darling preach the virtues of &#8216;responsibility&#8217; they need to take a hard look at their own hideous politics.</p>
<p>NL are languishing in the sewer where they belong, they are morally, politically and financially bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Tawfiq Chahboune</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155932</link>
		<author>Tawfiq Chahboune</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155932</guid>
		<description>Southpawpunch,

"It was chockfull of the usual meaningless oratical rubbish (you know the sort of thing - if you see a hill, you walk up it. only Labour gets to the top quicker..."

That's one of the finest and most acidic yet informative lines I've ever read - worthy even of the great Gore Vidal. Thank you. I'm going to use it all the time, but I'll reference you for copyright reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southpawpunch,</p>
<p>&#8220;It was chockfull of the usual meaningless oratical rubbish (you know the sort of thing - if you see a hill, you walk up it. only Labour gets to the top quicker&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of the finest and most acidic yet informative lines I&#8217;ve ever read - worthy even of the great Gore Vidal. Thank you. I&#8217;m going to use it all the time, but I&#8217;ll reference you for copyright reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: QM</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155926</link>
		<author>QM</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4709#comment-155926</guid>
		<description>Dear God! Did he just promise another referendum? What happened to the one about Lisbon? Weasel words, hot air and a tissue of lies, Labour are heading for political oblivion for at least another generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear God! Did he just promise another referendum? What happened to the one about Lisbon? Weasel words, hot air and a tissue of lies, Labour are heading for political oblivion for at least another generation.</p>
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