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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130371</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But opportunism isn't a bad and evil thing. It's by making opportunities that you get elected, this is the strategy in the North West. I seriously hope everyone on this blog can agree that having a Green MEP is a much better situation than having a BNP one. 

The strategy has worked, look at the polls and see where the Greens are in the North West. We're on course to double our number of MEPs (maybe more, who knows?), so it's not been in bad taste or been a flop, it's worked, all credit to the team there because it has put the Greens right in contention. 

I know I'm making apologies but it's an election, this is how it's done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But opportunism isn&#8217;t a bad and evil thing. It&#8217;s by making opportunities that you get elected, this is the strategy in the North West. I seriously hope everyone on this blog can agree that having a Green MEP is a much better situation than having a BNP one. </p>
<p>The strategy has worked, look at the polls and see where the Greens are in the North West. We&#8217;re on course to double our number of MEPs (maybe more, who knows?), so it&#8217;s not been in bad taste or been a flop, it&#8217;s worked, all credit to the team there because it has put the Greens right in contention. </p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m making apologies but it&#8217;s an election, this is how it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130293</link>
		<author>Karl Stewart</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130293</guid>
		<description>Luke, it's good that you agree that Peter's article is opportunist. But you can't excuse his utter lack of principle by simply pointing to alleged opportunism elsewhere.
All you're doing with that approach is saying: "Ok, we're unprincipled opportunists, but so is everyone else, so that's ok then."
If you think as I do that Peter's article is opportunist, then criticise it, don't try to justify it.
Regarding No2EU, fair point Luke, if No2EU candidates used Peter Cranie-style opportunism, then I'd criticise them in the strongest terms - I wouldn't try to justify it by saying others are just as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, it&#8217;s good that you agree that Peter&#8217;s article is opportunist. But you can&#8217;t excuse his utter lack of principle by simply pointing to alleged opportunism elsewhere.<br />
All you&#8217;re doing with that approach is saying: &#8220;Ok, we&#8217;re unprincipled opportunists, but so is everyone else, so that&#8217;s ok then.&#8221;<br />
If you think as I do that Peter&#8217;s article is opportunist, then criticise it, don&#8217;t try to justify it.<br />
Regarding No2EU, fair point Luke, if No2EU candidates used Peter Cranie-style opportunism, then I&#8217;d criticise them in the strongest terms - I wouldn&#8217;t try to justify it by saying others are just as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130285</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130285</guid>
		<description>Jim, we are not in an alliance with Libertas. Their lead candidate stood down because he had deep reservations about the political company that Libertas has in a number of Eastern European states- namely homophobes and xenophobes. 

It's not an alliance. Get your facts right before you make such claims.

Karl, what I'm saying is we're all opportunists. It's an election, you have to seek opportunities where you can. Are you seriously saying then that No2EU is not opportunist because it intends to take reactionary working class votes away from the BNP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, we are not in an alliance with Libertas. Their lead candidate stood down because he had deep reservations about the political company that Libertas has in a number of Eastern European states- namely homophobes and xenophobes. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an alliance. Get your facts right before you make such claims.</p>
<p>Karl, what I&#8217;m saying is we&#8217;re all opportunists. It&#8217;s an election, you have to seek opportunities where you can. Are you seriously saying then that No2EU is not opportunist because it intends to take reactionary working class votes away from the BNP?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Monaghan</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130266</link>
		<author>Jim Monaghan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130266</guid>
		<description>This article is highly opportunist and contradictory.  From saying we need to vote Green to stop the BNP we now have an argument that says that we need to vote Green to stop UKIP stopping the BNP.  Surely if the exercise is simply stoppping the BNP then the Green candidate should stand down in favour of UKIP rather than forming an alliance with Libertas?

Crainie seems to be saying that we should ignore the polls because UKIP will face problems over EU expenses in coming weeks.  Shouldnt we then be careful about using our vote for the Greens given the German Green MEPs latest scandal and the Scottish Greens abuse of the homes allowance in the Scottish parliament?

This is desperate stuff, a party that never show any desire to form alliances with the left (unless that alliance is voting Green) is now in alliance with Libertas over the issue of placing the Greens above UKIP?

Where will it end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is highly opportunist and contradictory.  From saying we need to vote Green to stop the BNP we now have an argument that says that we need to vote Green to stop UKIP stopping the BNP.  Surely if the exercise is simply stoppping the BNP then the Green candidate should stand down in favour of UKIP rather than forming an alliance with Libertas?</p>
<p>Crainie seems to be saying that we should ignore the polls because UKIP will face problems over EU expenses in coming weeks.  Shouldnt we then be careful about using our vote for the Greens given the German Green MEPs latest scandal and the Scottish Greens abuse of the homes allowance in the Scottish parliament?</p>
<p>This is desperate stuff, a party that never show any desire to form alliances with the left (unless that alliance is voting Green) is now in alliance with Libertas over the issue of placing the Greens above UKIP?</p>
<p>Where will it end?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130241</link>
		<author>Karl Stewart</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130241</guid>
		<description>Hi Luke,
Glad you agree with me that Peter Cranie's article is opportunist.
By all means fight for votes by arguing for your party's policies, but the anti-fascist struggle is not the property of any single political tendency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Luke,<br />
Glad you agree with me that Peter Cranie&#8217;s article is opportunist.<br />
By all means fight for votes by arguing for your party&#8217;s policies, but the anti-fascist struggle is not the property of any single political tendency.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130223</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130223</guid>
		<description>Karl, stop using the word 'opportunism', it's an election, we're all opportunists. No2EU is opportunist for attempting to cash in on blatent out-and-out Europhobia (Europhobia is the complete saying no to the European Union, Euroscepticism is just a scepticism of centralisation of the EU power structure)from British people without actually talking about it's socialist credentials, I could say the same, and I will.

I expect to see constructive argument without resorting to profanities. All it shows is frustration without any strong reason for that frustration. It's an election and I know how tensions flare, especially when we see our respective parties and electoral projects not polling where we like and when we expect a particular demographic to come rushing to our flocks.

Our campaign in the North West is backed up by strong and bold policies designed to bring temporate relief of the economic and ecological crisis throught the 'Green New Deal.' The party is under no illusion that it is a permanant answer, but we see it as a stepping stone in the right direction on regulating capitalism, protecting public services, and re-designing the UK economy towards the Green collar. Those are the principles of our campaign, that is our message. Yes we're saying 'Stop the BNP' and then 'Vote Green' as a means to do that because we are the positive alternative, the electoral alternative, to the politics of the mainstream and the far-right. It is an electoral message focused around our core principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, stop using the word &#8216;opportunism&#8217;, it&#8217;s an election, we&#8217;re all opportunists. No2EU is opportunist for attempting to cash in on blatent out-and-out Europhobia (Europhobia is the complete saying no to the European Union, Euroscepticism is just a scepticism of centralisation of the EU power structure)from British people without actually talking about it&#8217;s socialist credentials, I could say the same, and I will.</p>
<p>I expect to see constructive argument without resorting to profanities. All it shows is frustration without any strong reason for that frustration. It&#8217;s an election and I know how tensions flare, especially when we see our respective parties and electoral projects not polling where we like and when we expect a particular demographic to come rushing to our flocks.</p>
<p>Our campaign in the North West is backed up by strong and bold policies designed to bring temporate relief of the economic and ecological crisis throught the &#8216;Green New Deal.&#8217; The party is under no illusion that it is a permanant answer, but we see it as a stepping stone in the right direction on regulating capitalism, protecting public services, and re-designing the UK economy towards the Green collar. Those are the principles of our campaign, that is our message. Yes we&#8217;re saying &#8216;Stop the BNP&#8217; and then &#8216;Vote Green&#8217; as a means to do that because we are the positive alternative, the electoral alternative, to the politics of the mainstream and the far-right. It is an electoral message focused around our core principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130218</link>
		<author>Karl Stewart</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130218</guid>
		<description>What a cynical piece of sheer opportunism by the greens. Trying to manipulate the "BNP" threat to try to panic people into voting green. Pathetic!
Vote green if you agree with them by all means, but don't fall for this unprincipled shite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cynical piece of sheer opportunism by the greens. Trying to manipulate the &#8220;BNP&#8221; threat to try to panic people into voting green. Pathetic!<br />
Vote green if you agree with them by all means, but don&#8217;t fall for this unprincipled shite.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130208</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130208</guid>
		<description>Andy, it is highly unlikely for the BNP to get anywhere close to a seat in the South East, where as the Greens are actually close to gaining two MEPs from down here. The breakdown of the polling in the South East has put the Greens on somewhere between 12-16%, we only need 14% to get another MEP.

The news that Joanna Lumley is backing the Greens should hopefully send a shock wave through middle England and may even bring out some unexpected voters for the Greens. But time will tell.

I agree with the above points. The campaign in the North West has brought together the broadest coalition around the Green campaign than anywhere else in the party. It is a genuine united front which puts progressive policies and hope at the front of the campaign, whilst combating the politics of hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, it is highly unlikely for the BNP to get anywhere close to a seat in the South East, where as the Greens are actually close to gaining two MEPs from down here. The breakdown of the polling in the South East has put the Greens on somewhere between 12-16%, we only need 14% to get another MEP.</p>
<p>The news that Joanna Lumley is backing the Greens should hopefully send a shock wave through middle England and may even bring out some unexpected voters for the Greens. But time will tell.</p>
<p>I agree with the above points. The campaign in the North West has brought together the broadest coalition around the Green campaign than anywhere else in the party. It is a genuine united front which puts progressive policies and hope at the front of the campaign, whilst combating the politics of hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130204</link>
		<author>Jim Jay</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130204</guid>
		<description>Just so people are clear this article is by NW lead candidate for the Greens, Peter Cranie.

http://petercranie.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so people are clear this article is by NW lead candidate for the Greens, Peter Cranie.</p>
<p><a href="http://petercranie.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://petercranie.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Theo Saurus</title>
		<link>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130199</link>
		<author>Theo Saurus</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4096#comment-130199</guid>
		<description>The BNP is fascist party, with some admirers of Hitlers national socialists within its leadership.

The fact that the BNP uses elements of socialism to make them more attractive at the ballot box indicates the opportunist nature of their politics.

Socialism is about the liberation of workers from exploitation. Nazism is about increasing the exploitation of workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BNP is fascist party, with some admirers of Hitlers national socialists within its leadership.</p>
<p>The fact that the BNP uses elements of socialism to make them more attractive at the ballot box indicates the opportunist nature of their politics.</p>
<p>Socialism is about the liberation of workers from exploitation. Nazism is about increasing the exploitation of workers.</p>
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